Episode 9

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13th Mar 2024

Cancelled Project!?!? Now What???

"It's cancelled. The project is no longer budgeted."

What do you do when you and your team has dedicated countless hours of time, stress and most likely little sleep to find out that the work is suddenly no longer needed?

Ben Baker and Syya Yasotornrat #GnawOnThis week's topic on the implications and reactions to being told the dreaded words: The Project's Cancelled!

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if there's one thing we've learned about

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business and life is that people are the

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X Factor they constantly surprise us

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both in amazing ways and not so much

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about real life things we all deal with

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every day how they relate to business

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and how to make some sense out of our

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daily chaos welcome to the

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[Music]

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show and welcome back to another episode

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of nonis business bites I'm Ben and this

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is

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CA so you shut down a project now

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what people spent time effort money

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personal

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reputation

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building teams building you know

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programs together buying

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software hundreds thousands millions of

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dollars have been

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spent and somebody pulled the

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plug and then you hear

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crickets no

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justification no

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communication know what did we learn

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from this know what's

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next know what do we expect from you

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going

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forward just

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crickets how does that make you

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feel see you let's know on this all

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right my friend I can't tell you how

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many projects have gotten cancelled on

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uh us when I was working at my company

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in technology technology projects get

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shelved faster than a teenage girl

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dating you know boys

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and teenage boys dating whomever

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whatever look like Johnny didn't dance

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with me I'm going to dance with someone

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else like that's how fast projects come

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and go in technology so uh me speaking

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anecdotally you know what that tells me

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when a project shuts down like that when

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there's money that has been spent two

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things are happening one it was always a

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vanity project of whatever executive

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leader that had the budget uh and then

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they suddenly disappear for whatever

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various reasons and therefore your

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biggest backer to your project went Mia

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yeah uh secondly is whomever is in

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charge of this project did not

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articulate the value of the project to

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the business well enough such that it

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got shut down because there was no

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longer a business requirement or the

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value was not accepted as being uh

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needed at that point in time uh and it's

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frustrating because us as vendors we're

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down the we're down the stream oh

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totally right often times we're down the

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stream and often we're a component of

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that overall project

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and so yes I can feel it I can see it

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and as a former salesperson you banked

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on it you put in the pipeline and said

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hey man everything's looking hunky dory

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hunky dory hunky dory and then someone

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in finance just goes

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Kash so how do I feel about it you're

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giving me hives because I'm freaking

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remembering so many times the

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conversations of like what the hell

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happened and it was oftentimes

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completely out of your control most of

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the time it is completely out of control

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and you know what there are times

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projects need to be shelved they you

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know there the business case that you

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thought was there wasn't there they're a

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million dollars over budget and with

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with no end in sight there's there's a

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hundred different reasons why projects

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get sheld the problem is we never talk

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about it we as organizations we just

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throw it in the corner throw it in a

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desk drawer and just go that didn't

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happen you know why the problem is as

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you

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said there's salespeople that have been

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talking about this project to customers

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customers are sitting there going so

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where is it vendors have have spent

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money gearing up because they're going

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to be supporting this program you know

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customer service teams have been been

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trained on this you know there everybody

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sitting there going okay what

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happened like serious L what

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happened and there's never that answer

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there's never there's never that that

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sense of closure there's never that

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sense of

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okay this is what we learned from this

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okay it didn't it didn't pan out we

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tried we live this we we we ran the

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business numbers we ran the we ran by

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our customers we couldn't get to a point

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where we could actually make this thing

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viable the technology we just don't have

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the technology today to be able to

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overcome whatever hurdle

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but none of that none of those

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conversations happen and individuals

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start sitting there going well was it me

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you know was it our team was it the fact

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there something that we did do or we

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didn't do you know was it was it our

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fault was it not our fault and people

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get get

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blamed and fingers get

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pointed but there's never the

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articulation of why things actually

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happened and as companies it's the why

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is so important because we can't learn

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unless we know the why we can't sit

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there and say what do we do next we're

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we're we're bound to make the same

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mistakes over and over again you know 10

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times more

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expensively if we don't understand why

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we we shut something down in the first

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place and I I just don't understand why

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we are so scared to

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articulate I don't want to call them

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failures but are but our our decisions

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to not move forward why are we so afraid

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as organizations to sit there say that

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didn't work this is why it didn't work

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this is what we were trying to do this

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is why that didn't happen let's do a

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postmortem on this thing figure out is

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there anything we can salvage from this

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can we move forward in a different

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way gidy up let's go no you know it

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won't 100% won't you know why because

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people are afraid of her job so if

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they're attached to a project that got

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defunct defunded de whatever uh there's

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there's stench there's smell that sticks

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to it right you don't want that smell

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Stuck on You of like oh wait you were

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spearhead of a project that ultimately

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failed or failed because we pulled the

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plug on it oh you wasted the company's

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times and resources you were the spear

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like no one wants that stink on them so

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no there's there's a lot of Unwritten

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stuff here

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that again I you're making me remember

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why I enjoyed leaving corporate which

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was politics internal corporate politics

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there are business units that will have

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priorities and objectives that they

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fight each other for resources on that

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ultimately the SE Suite has to determine

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okay is this in line with the overall

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direction of the business and okay if

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this project does move forward what

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which which projects because they're

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usually competing and when to say

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competing projects it's not that the

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projects are the same it's competing

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projects for time resources right and

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money right

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um so yeah often times it's like well

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I'm just going to keep staying with the

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winning team ain't no one going to want

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to do a postmortem which is where I

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would give credit to military they

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always did a postmortem after every

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Mission absolutely and I think there's

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some strength in that but like I said

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unfortunately us civies us civilians

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don't understand that you can go over

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things to learn Take Lessons Learned and

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not have that stench of a failure stuck

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Associated to you yeah it's ego it comes

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down to Ego and it comes down to

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territory you know because are you going

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to be the person that's going to be

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green lit for the next project as you

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said if you're the person that stank up

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the last

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one and so a lot of people will quietly

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kill something before even the seite has

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a chance to even know

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it because it's better to just say Hey

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listen you know what let's just not move

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forward with this let's just you know

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don't worry about we just you know we

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try we try we're just we're just not

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going to invest any more time or effort

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on this and we're just going to move

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forward and you know that way it doesn't

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become a seweet decision it gets killed

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at a lower

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level because the those people sit there

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and say you know what I know this thing

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is going to come back down badly if if

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seawe has to kill this yeah I'm you know

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I'm going to be in you know it could be

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my head on the chopping block and it

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most likely will be if you're in that

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level of of that level of decision-

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making right where it is

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ultimately you wasted millions of

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dollars I don't know you know what's

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really crazy to me is how quickly a

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company is SC once you get to a certain

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size how million-dollar projects just

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suddenly Vapor turn into vapor I don't

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know how I could function as a human to

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like kiss off a mill Buck you know

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whatevers but it happens more often than

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not that's what's just mind-blowing to

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me here I just read this the other day

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that in companies of 100,000

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employees $62 million a year gets wasted

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due to in ineffective internal

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communication oh doesn't surprise me $62

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million on the average 100,000 employee

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company now if for a 100 person in

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company it's still

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$42,000 I mean you look at it for a

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small little company of a 100 employees

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which still is still is a decent sized

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company but to lose $42,000 after tax

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wow is because of negligence and because

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people don't learn and because they they

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didn't learn from their mistakes they

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didn't they didn't sit there and say

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okay let's do a postmortem let's take

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the time to figure out what went right

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what went wrong and how we can do better

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next time and therefore they do the same

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damn thing all over again over again

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then that's just

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negligence and I think as organizations

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we need to be able to

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go yeah we screwed up okay what did we

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learn from it what what what's the good

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that can come out of this what's the

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good listen wait a second what if we

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take that technology and we merge that

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with this hang on a second here that

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might work but if we just throw in the

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garbage can or in the

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drawer it's sunk

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costs and we have no opportunity to

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learn we have no opportunity to move

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forward we have no opportunity to be

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able to get people that feel good about

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themselves in any way shape or

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form all we do is leave bad taste and

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stench behind us yeah and that's not a

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great place to

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be it isn't a great place to be and

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that's where I

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think I'm glad that we I'm glad we're

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gnawing on this because I think it needs

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to be spoken and addressed right because

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it's almost like I think for me it's

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almost like giving even though it's a

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small nod but of respect for all the

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people's times I mean it's their human

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lives that they've just spent on a

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project that will go nowhere so now

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you're not only have you just thrown

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away that time and investment that

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knowledge transfer potential knowledge

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transfer that didn't even happen because

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it got cut off it is also that uh you

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know almost apology not apology but like

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uh not acceptance what's that word

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acknowledgment that you can't even give

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that those people who work so hard on

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this stuff the the attab boy because it

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got cancelled so the Assumption it was a

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failure so all your hard work it's like

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gay like you know I mean it feels like a

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how do you s how do you cheer a success

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of something that got cancelled away so

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job well done too bad we got canceled

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that sucks yeah but you also take a look

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at said they go okay what about those

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evenings and weekends that you worked

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and you were away from family or you

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know spouses or significant other or or

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you know parents birthday parties or

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whatever because you got put on the fast

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track on this on this

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project and you're expected to work all

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this extra time and then all of a sudden

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there's no payoff at the end of the time

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you can't even say hey look look what we

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did

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look what we

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accomplished because there's no way of

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sitting there going all right we didn't

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win this this didn't happen but at least

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we learned at least we learned and this

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is what we learned and this is what we

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can wait a second here we can adapt it

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to that hey that's a great

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idea and I think as organizations and

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this comes back to our culture

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conversation is that we need to build

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the cultures of innovations that

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celebrate both the wins and the

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failures and be able to sit there and

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figure out what are the lessons learned

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because if even if even if we've thrown

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five million 10 million $50 million do

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down the drain and sunk costs there's

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got to be something that we can we can

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get out of there there's got to be a

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technology that came out of that an

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innovation that came out of that a

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process that came out of that procedures

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that came out of that uh a new

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relationship that came out of that you

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know a a new vendor that was that was

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found yeah and we need to be able to sit

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there and say okay how can we utilize

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all

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that in a way that makes makes our lives

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better oh I

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agree so do you have anything to add

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damn it no damn it like seriously this

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we we've got to we got to you know after

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this our goal is to find a topic that we

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just are di diametrically opposed on

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because that was like preaching to the

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choir babe pre preaching to the

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choir so let's leave it there I'm Ben

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and I'm CA agree I'm Mis agreeing

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CA and we'll see you

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Gnaw On This...
Business Bytes with Ben & Syya
If there is one thing that we have learned about business and life
IT’S THAT PEOPLE ARE THE X FACTOR
They constantly surprise us, both in amazing ways . . .
And . . . NOT SO MUCH
We’re Ben and Syya
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About your hosts

Syya Yasotornrat

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Syya is a tenured tech sales professional with her time at SonicWALL and Hewlett Packard (HPE) with some hospitality at the Walt Disney Company and IT recruitment experience in the mix. She is currently a podcast strategist and consultant, helping others to bring out their voice and legacy through podcasting. She loves to learn and talk about anything, so feel free to reach out!

Ben Baker

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Ben has been helping companies, and the people within them understand, codify, and communicate their unique value to others for more than a quarter of a century.

He is the president of Your Brand Marketing, an Employee Engagement Consultancy specializing in helping companies communicate more effectively inside their organizations.

He is the author of two books: “Powerful Personal Brands: a hands-on guide to understanding yours,” and “Leading Beyond a Crisis: a conversation about what’s next,” and the host of IHEART and Spotify syndicated YourLIVINGBrand.live show with more than 300 episodes behind him.

You can reach him at www.yourbrandmarketing.com